naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Warning: Death Ray)
The latest example of a phenomenon that completely baffles me.

Long story short, teenage girl gives birth in a hospital, leaves the next morning. She is being sought by police. It's a far from uncommon story. This one is less egregious than most in that the girl had her baby in a safe place and left it in a safe place. We've had many in my state where the mother -- often from a very poor family -- kills and tries to hide the baby out of (very real) fear of punishment.

There's the usual talk about wanting to reunite her with her baby, and the obligatory mention of concern for the mother's health, but stories like this, publicized in the news, have never seemed to me to be anything but an attempt to shame young women, to put their identities out there as a way of singling them out. Stories like this SHOULD be attempts to draw attention to the social and cultural factors that cause this sort of thing. The question shouldn't be "Why would she do that?" but "Why would she feel she HAD to do that?"

Can't the police follow up on this without bringing it into the media, issuing a description and a photo of her as though she were a criminal, and making a spectacle out of something that ought to be private, for the girl's own safety, if nothing else? I won't say I think abandoning a baby is a fantastic thing to do, but she did it in a hospital. Safer even than a police station. And chances are, a girl desperate enough to do this? There are problems in her life that this kind of publicity isn't going to help.

It's not even a case of they don't know who the mother was, which is often the case. This time, they do know. Her name is right there in the news.

The girl is 17. If the idea behind this sort of thing is that we should protect children, we should be protecting these young women who are, by legal definition, children themselves.

The idea of sending the police after a girl who likely felt she had no other choice, and who is probably both frightened and emotionally hurting, is just ludicrous. There's no talk in that article about helping her out, about finding out what might be wrong in her life that led her to make this choice.

It's terrible that this kind of thing happens, but not only for the reasons most people go on about -- the effect on the baby. Someone is looking after this baby, thank goodness. I hope that this young woman is okay, both physically and otherwise. Someone has to care about her, beyond caring about what she did.

The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Warning: Death Ray)
The latest example of a phenomenon that completely baffles me.

Long story short, teenage girl gives birth in a hospital, leaves the next morning. She is being sought by police. It's a far from uncommon story. This one is less egregious than most in that the girl had her baby in a safe place and left it in a safe place. We've had many in my state where the mother -- often from a very poor family -- kills and tries to hide the baby out of (very real) fear of punishment.

There's the usual talk about wanting to reunite her with her baby, and the obligatory mention of concern for the mother's health, but stories like this, publicized in the news, have never seemed to me to be anything but an attempt to shame young women, to put their identities out there as a way of singling them out. Stories like this SHOULD be attempts to draw attention to the social and cultural factors that cause this sort of thing. The question shouldn't be "Why would she do that?" but "Why would she feel she HAD to do that?"

Can't the police follow up on this without bringing it into the media, issuing a description and a photo of her as though she were a criminal, and making a spectacle out of something that ought to be private, for the girl's own safety, if nothing else? I won't say I think abandoning a baby is a fantastic thing to do, but she did it in a hospital. Safer even than a police station. And chances are, a girl desperate enough to do this? There are problems in her life that this kind of publicity isn't going to help.

It's not even a case of they don't know who the mother was, which is often the case. This time, they do know. Her name is right there in the news.

The girl is 17. If the idea behind this sort of thing is that we should protect children, we should be protecting these young women who are, by legal definition, children themselves.

The idea of sending the police after a girl who likely felt she had no other choice, and who is probably both frightened and emotionally hurting, is just ludicrous. There's no talk in that article about helping her out, about finding out what might be wrong in her life that led her to make this choice.

It's terrible that this kind of thing happens, but not only for the reasons most people go on about -- the effect on the baby. Someone is looking after this baby, thank goodness. I hope that this young woman is okay, both physically and otherwise. Someone has to care about her, beyond caring about what she did.

The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Default)
I'm coming late to this one, too.

[livejournal.com profile] greyladybast has been kicked out of her house by her father. Her abusive father, I think it's safe to say.

She and her son are staying with friends, but she has nothing. No phone, no clothes but what she had on her back, no assets, no winter clothes. Sonofabitch even threw her cat in the pound.

Please, if you can help, help. As [livejournal.com profile] ginmar pointed out, and as many of you probably already know all too well, one thing abusers love to do is strip away a person's resources until they have nothing left of their own. Nothing. It's a means of control, and it's a repulsively effective one.

This year has fucking sucked for so many of us. Now it wears out its welcome once again. I know that many of us have very little in the way of resources right now, many of us are tapped out, but this is just unacceptable.

If you can contribute, please, remember to mark the Paypal donation as a gift, so more of it reaches her.

This is just . . . I don't even know. Goddammit.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Default)
I'm coming late to this one, too.

[livejournal.com profile] greyladybast has been kicked out of her house by her father. Her abusive father, I think it's safe to say.

She and her son are staying with friends, but she has nothing. No phone, no clothes but what she had on her back, no assets, no winter clothes. Sonofabitch even threw her cat in the pound.

Please, if you can help, help. As [livejournal.com profile] ginmar pointed out, and as many of you probably already know all too well, one thing abusers love to do is strip away a person's resources until they have nothing left of their own. Nothing. It's a means of control, and it's a repulsively effective one.

This year has fucking sucked for so many of us. Now it wears out its welcome once again. I know that many of us have very little in the way of resources right now, many of us are tapped out, but this is just unacceptable.

If you can contribute, please, remember to mark the Paypal donation as a gift, so more of it reaches her.

This is just . . . I don't even know. Goddammit.
naamah_darling: Lucian from Underworld next to a snarling wolf. From the dark into the black, throwbacks always have to go. (Lucian Throwbacks)
Rape is a "pre-existing condition." Enjoy maybe getting AIDS.

Sometimes I want to resign from the human race just for the pleasure of saying "I have nothing in common with you shitfuckers. I hope you die in agony. Alone. Except for those 3d6 priapic wild pigs."

You can claim that those mule-felching piles of assvomit are not human all you like and that won't make it true. They are human, and that is the most disgusting part of this. You can't just stand up, point, and say in outrage: "Get away from me you pile of shit! I am chocolate!" They are human, you are human, we are all human. You share that with them, whether you like it or not.

As humanity is not something you have to earn, the label isn't reserved only for the best of us. That's part of the point that women and people of color and people with disabilities or mental illnesses and fat people and queer people are always trying to make. That you can't bestow or deny humanity, that we have that without asking, and that it cannot be taken away. So I can't say they aren't human, even though they obviously lack the constellation of traits (decency, charity, compassion) that we have come to call "humanity."

Why we call it "humanity" when most of our species is by that definition inhumane in the extreme is quite beyond me.

If I really were a werewolf, instead of a crazy person with a damn good metaphor, I would be taking great comfort in my inhumanity right about now.
naamah_darling: Lucian from Underworld next to a snarling wolf. From the dark into the black, throwbacks always have to go. (Lucian Throwbacks)
Rape is a "pre-existing condition." Enjoy maybe getting AIDS.

Sometimes I want to resign from the human race just for the pleasure of saying "I have nothing in common with you shitfuckers. I hope you die in agony. Alone. Except for those 3d6 priapic wild pigs."

You can claim that those mule-felching piles of assvomit are not human all you like and that won't make it true. They are human, and that is the most disgusting part of this. You can't just stand up, point, and say in outrage: "Get away from me you pile of shit! I am chocolate!" They are human, you are human, we are all human. You share that with them, whether you like it or not.

As humanity is not something you have to earn, the label isn't reserved only for the best of us. That's part of the point that women and people of color and people with disabilities or mental illnesses and fat people and queer people are always trying to make. That you can't bestow or deny humanity, that we have that without asking, and that it cannot be taken away. So I can't say they aren't human, even though they obviously lack the constellation of traits (decency, charity, compassion) that we have come to call "humanity."

Why we call it "humanity" when most of our species is by that definition inhumane in the extreme is quite beyond me.

If I really were a werewolf, instead of a crazy person with a damn good metaphor, I would be taking great comfort in my inhumanity right about now.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Alpha Female)
Re: misogyny being a problem in kink.

"I firmly and strongly believe that it is a woman’s role to be submissive to a man. I believe that submission in men is taught at conception because as soon as women realize that they’re pregnant, they start planning that child’s fucking future and quite often that the mother is definitely the beginning of the emasculation. That said, I think that women in the past couple of hundred years have gotten entirely too high on their own power and eventually need to be slapped in the fucking head and put in their place."

This was part of a kink podcast posted a week ago. I don't see much point in linking to it so you can go over there to tell that person he's full of shit. I'm just offering it as evidence that there's a real problem within the kink "community" with misogyny, and that hits dominant women hard because we're the ones perceived as going against the flow -- and that's without discussing the harm it does to people who do not fit into a gender binary. Loudmouthed assholes like this one are quite common.

As I have stated before, that is what has kept me from looking to make contacts in the local scene so that I can just learn some of the basic shit I need to know to even write kink convincingly. This is what has me thinking about trying to convince some of my respectful and experienced kinky friends to come down here or put me up for a day or two so they can help me try some things that I really want to try without having to deal with this shit.

I said before, I think, that I have an objection to doing anything to someone that I have not had done to me. I think that's fair, and I wouldn't want to hurt someone consensually without knowing exactly what that pain was going to be like. True, pain thresholds vary, and everyone's different in terms of what hurts their body the most, but I don't think that establishing a library of baseline experiences to compare things to is a bad idea.

Can you see how, in an atmosphere thick with bullshit like the above, I would be really reluctant to ask for that experience, because of how easily such a desire could be misinterpreted when voiced in such an environment?

"Just wade in and make the changes you want to see!" people say. And if I were less introverted and more into conflict instead of just pain, I would. But the truth is that it's not my job to fight tooth and nail for the respect I should have without asking for it. It's their responsibility not to be fucking dicks. It's their responsibility to keep up with last century and get it through their skulls that women aren't animals, and that any woman who can speak, reason, and wield a riding crop is not just a collie in polyvinyl who has learned a really neat parlor trick.

It's appalling how many people use their sexual proclivities as a shelter for their neolithic social views. I am not ashamed of what I am or what turns me on, but I do regret that my peccadillos connect me in any way with such barbaric bullshit.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Alpha Female)
Re: misogyny being a problem in kink.

"I firmly and strongly believe that it is a woman’s role to be submissive to a man. I believe that submission in men is taught at conception because as soon as women realize that they’re pregnant, they start planning that child’s fucking future and quite often that the mother is definitely the beginning of the emasculation. That said, I think that women in the past couple of hundred years have gotten entirely too high on their own power and eventually need to be slapped in the fucking head and put in their place."

This was part of a kink podcast posted a week ago. I don't see much point in linking to it so you can go over there to tell that person he's full of shit. I'm just offering it as evidence that there's a real problem within the kink "community" with misogyny, and that hits dominant women hard because we're the ones perceived as going against the flow -- and that's without discussing the harm it does to people who do not fit into a gender binary. Loudmouthed assholes like this one are quite common.

As I have stated before, that is what has kept me from looking to make contacts in the local scene so that I can just learn some of the basic shit I need to know to even write kink convincingly. This is what has me thinking about trying to convince some of my respectful and experienced kinky friends to come down here or put me up for a day or two so they can help me try some things that I really want to try without having to deal with this shit.

I said before, I think, that I have an objection to doing anything to someone that I have not had done to me. I think that's fair, and I wouldn't want to hurt someone consensually without knowing exactly what that pain was going to be like. True, pain thresholds vary, and everyone's different in terms of what hurts their body the most, but I don't think that establishing a library of baseline experiences to compare things to is a bad idea.

Can you see how, in an atmosphere thick with bullshit like the above, I would be really reluctant to ask for that experience, because of how easily such a desire could be misinterpreted when voiced in such an environment?

"Just wade in and make the changes you want to see!" people say. And if I were less introverted and more into conflict instead of just pain, I would. But the truth is that it's not my job to fight tooth and nail for the respect I should have without asking for it. It's their responsibility not to be fucking dicks. It's their responsibility to keep up with last century and get it through their skulls that women aren't animals, and that any woman who can speak, reason, and wield a riding crop is not just a collie in polyvinyl who has learned a really neat parlor trick.

It's appalling how many people use their sexual proclivities as a shelter for their neolithic social views. I am not ashamed of what I am or what turns me on, but I do regret that my peccadillos connect me in any way with such barbaric bullshit.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Alpha Female)
The Sodomite Hal Duncan has a wonderful letter to share with you all this fine Friday afternoon.

My own letter is below.

To Mr. Wright,

Two things, before I begin.

First, if people have attacked you for your religious views, I don't approve of that. I am an atheist, not an anti-theist. As easy as it is to take pot shots, I cannot insult you for your beliefs without also insulting people I love.

Second, I had not heard about the incident with your wife until after discovering your entry. Going into what I think of that issue would not be appropriate here; I merely wished to point out that I'm not part of the mob that descended on her, lest you believe that everyone who took you to task is simply nursing a grudge from that whole affair. That's all I have to say on the matter.

Moving on, I was not the only person to link to that entry, but I concede I was one of the first, and my readership, for reasons I have never quite understood, is wide. I never would have called out your appalling remarks had you not been a published author whose books I have purchased in hardcover, and as gifts for others. You aren't a random dipshit on the internet yodeling into the vacuum of his own ass. You are a published writer in a field I love, and thus you are a person of whom I had stupidly assumed better. As someone who does not apply her money or loyalty to those who believe that I or my loved ones are perverted or defective, I felt betrayed.

If gay and gay-friendly folks choose to support you despite your views, that is their choice, but I believe they deserve to make an informed choice. That's why I pointed them your way. The fact that I pointed 1,500 people your way while saying "fuck" a lot is just how I do things. Because if we don't laugh and make fun of people who use ridiculous arguments to deny the validity of our relationships and the humanity of our brilliant, brief lives, well, that would just be too depressing.

It is unfortunate that the people who came to comment on your journal were angry, and not up to your desired level of discourse. I asked them not to troll, and apparently I misjudged their restraint. That was an error on my part. I didn't rile them, though. You did that on your own. Your words were offensive. Your words were hurtful. When a person says offensive, hurtful things, those who hear will lash out. When compared to pedophiles and necrophiliacs, they will come in mobs and be downright cruel. This is not the most wonderful facet of human nature, but nor is it proof that you were right all along or that everyone who disagrees with you is an illogical maniac with no internal censor. When those people bitchslapped you for being offensive, that was proof that what you said was offensive. Your own words condemned you, and as many of us have taken screenshots of the original entry, they will continue to do so.

The fact that you were mobbed -- "trolled" does not apply to most of the comments, most of which were expressing genuine disgust and displeasure, and were not being made, as they say, for the lulz -- does not free you from the offense you gave. When you say something offensive and are called on it, even if the people you have offended are rude to you, you take responsibility for the harm you caused, you apologize, and then you listen to how you can do better. You turn the other cheek, not so you can show people how smooth and righteous it is, but to show that you are willing to listen, to put the hurt done to you behind you. You swallow your pride and you listen. Which, you know, I would have done, save that there was nothing to learn from your words. It was just more of the same fearmongering fags-as-monsters bullshit.

I'm not under the illusion you were just misunderstood, or your words taken out of context. You clearly hate and fear homosexuality, even if you probably wouldn't say you hate homosexual individuals (we'll leave the stupidity of that alone for now, and the matter of your own hypocrisy re: perversions). Love the sinner, hate the sin, blah blah blah. But you have been complaining about how rude and nasty and profane people have been. You've been using others' entirely justifiable anger to dismiss what they are saying, because you don't like how they say it. The tone argument. They aren't being respectful enough of you while you insult them. Your journal, you don't have to put up with people swearing at you or mobbing you, but it makes you look like an asshole to venomously insult a group of people that includes many of your fans and their loved ones, and then get all butthurt when they let you have both barrels in return. If nothing else, this should serve as a lesson to just how many of us there are, and that we are listening.

After comparing homosexuality to a litany of completely repellent nonconsensual crimes, you have no real grounds on which to complain about what anyone said to you. True, they said it in a great, rage-filled mass, but I will point out that each of those individuals felt personally wounded, personally hurt enough to comment and tell you exactly what they thought of your reprehensible screed. For them, your characterization of homosexuality as akin to bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia, was not some abstract thing. You were talking about them, about people they know. Many -- self included -- actually held back or didn't comment at all. You're entitled to your opinion, hate-filled and foolish as it may be. Many might have engaged you in debate except for the fact that it was -- and is -- clear that your mind is tightly made up, the justifications you use for not listening so perfectly constructed as to allow no argument to penetrate.

Would you argue if you saw a published author whose works you own making ridiculous and stupid statements about Catholics? Called you lot baby-eaters, claimed that you engaged in incestuous orgies in secret temples, had congress with animals, and offered up the corpses of virgins for the carnal delights of your depraved priesthood? Would you engage such blatant stupidity in rational debate?

Adults do not answer the petty name-calling of a schoolyard bully with elaborate explanations of why we are not stinky dirty poopy-heads. That would be dignifying it with a response, which it does not deserve. You aren't a child, though. You are in a prominent position, and gay people and their friends pay to read your work, so we can't just ignore what you think of us or let it pass.

Protesting that you didn't mean your offensive words to reach so wide an audience is such foolishness I can't respond beyond pointing out your age. Few people actually mean to make enormous fools of themselves. They figure nobody's paying attention. But you are a published author on the internet, accessible to all of fandom. Your words can never be assumed to reach a small audience, and you aren't talking about abstracts solely to people who agree with you. You are insulting real people who are or who love someone who is gay. To those people, being anti-gay makes you look stupid no matter your reasoning. Defending or advancing that stance with blatant nonsense only means they will be more inclined to tell you to drop dead while throat-fucking a rabid weasel than actually try to educate you (which is not our duty, I might add, but yours) or debate with you.

If you want to argue the point, shore up your logic and start dealing with facts, stop regurgitating the same garbage. It's the internet. It's all computers. The rule of 5150, shit in, shit out, applies here. If you spout ignorant, hateful bullshit, you will get hateful bullshit in return.

I am posting this with comments disabled. This is not cowardice. I have no real desire to invite you to converse here, where such views as yours are not welcome, but I also have no real desire to allow the carnival of wank to continue in comments on my journal. That would simply make more work for me without putting people's scorn in front of you. If people want to register their displeasure with you, they can go to your journal to do it. If they wish to register their displeasure with me, there are many other entries where they can do so. I thought I would let this stand alone, a letter to you, in case you cared to read it.

I'm not holding my breath, but I hope that you will find some people to debate with you and perhaps help educate you. I hope that you will change your views. I personally suspect the damage has been done, and I know I won't ever have anything to do with you or your work again. I regret I ever did.

I am a generous woman, or try to be. I would wish you well, but I find the most I can wish you is wisdom, and a clearer vision. Those are not, as anyone who lives in interesting times will tell you, always pleasant things.

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naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Alpha Female)
The Sodomite Hal Duncan has a wonderful letter to share with you all this fine Friday afternoon.

My own letter is below.

To Mr. Wright,

Two things, before I begin.

First, if people have attacked you for your religious views, I don't approve of that. I am an atheist, not an anti-theist. As easy as it is to take pot shots, I cannot insult you for your beliefs without also insulting people I love.

Second, I had not heard about the incident with your wife until after discovering your entry. Going into what I think of that issue would not be appropriate here; I merely wished to point out that I'm not part of the mob that descended on her, lest you believe that everyone who took you to task is simply nursing a grudge from that whole affair. That's all I have to say on the matter.

Moving on, I was not the only person to link to that entry, but I concede I was one of the first, and my readership, for reasons I have never quite understood, is wide. I never would have called out your appalling remarks had you not been a published author whose books I have purchased in hardcover, and as gifts for others. You aren't a random dipshit on the internet yodeling into the vacuum of his own ass. You are a published writer in a field I love, and thus you are a person of whom I had stupidly assumed better. As someone who does not apply her money or loyalty to those who believe that I or my loved ones are perverted or defective, I felt betrayed.

If gay and gay-friendly folks choose to support you despite your views, that is their choice, but I believe they deserve to make an informed choice. That's why I pointed them your way. The fact that I pointed 1,500 people your way while saying "fuck" a lot is just how I do things. Because if we don't laugh and make fun of people who use ridiculous arguments to deny the validity of our relationships and the humanity of our brilliant, brief lives, well, that would just be too depressing.

It is unfortunate that the people who came to comment on your journal were angry, and not up to your desired level of discourse. I asked them not to troll, and apparently I misjudged their restraint. That was an error on my part. I didn't rile them, though. You did that on your own. Your words were offensive. Your words were hurtful. When a person says offensive, hurtful things, those who hear will lash out. When compared to pedophiles and necrophiliacs, they will come in mobs and be downright cruel. This is not the most wonderful facet of human nature, but nor is it proof that you were right all along or that everyone who disagrees with you is an illogical maniac with no internal censor. When those people bitchslapped you for being offensive, that was proof that what you said was offensive. Your own words condemned you, and as many of us have taken screenshots of the original entry, they will continue to do so.

The fact that you were mobbed -- "trolled" does not apply to most of the comments, most of which were expressing genuine disgust and displeasure, and were not being made, as they say, for the lulz -- does not free you from the offense you gave. When you say something offensive and are called on it, even if the people you have offended are rude to you, you take responsibility for the harm you caused, you apologize, and then you listen to how you can do better. You turn the other cheek, not so you can show people how smooth and righteous it is, but to show that you are willing to listen, to put the hurt done to you behind you. You swallow your pride and you listen. Which, you know, I would have done, save that there was nothing to learn from your words. It was just more of the same fearmongering fags-as-monsters bullshit.

I'm not under the illusion you were just misunderstood, or your words taken out of context. You clearly hate and fear homosexuality, even if you probably wouldn't say you hate homosexual individuals (we'll leave the stupidity of that alone for now, and the matter of your own hypocrisy re: perversions). Love the sinner, hate the sin, blah blah blah. But you have been complaining about how rude and nasty and profane people have been. You've been using others' entirely justifiable anger to dismiss what they are saying, because you don't like how they say it. The tone argument. They aren't being respectful enough of you while you insult them. Your journal, you don't have to put up with people swearing at you or mobbing you, but it makes you look like an asshole to venomously insult a group of people that includes many of your fans and their loved ones, and then get all butthurt when they let you have both barrels in return. If nothing else, this should serve as a lesson to just how many of us there are, and that we are listening.

After comparing homosexuality to a litany of completely repellent nonconsensual crimes, you have no real grounds on which to complain about what anyone said to you. True, they said it in a great, rage-filled mass, but I will point out that each of those individuals felt personally wounded, personally hurt enough to comment and tell you exactly what they thought of your reprehensible screed. For them, your characterization of homosexuality as akin to bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia, was not some abstract thing. You were talking about them, about people they know. Many -- self included -- actually held back or didn't comment at all. You're entitled to your opinion, hate-filled and foolish as it may be. Many might have engaged you in debate except for the fact that it was -- and is -- clear that your mind is tightly made up, the justifications you use for not listening so perfectly constructed as to allow no argument to penetrate.

Would you argue if you saw a published author whose works you own making ridiculous and stupid statements about Catholics? Called you lot baby-eaters, claimed that you engaged in incestuous orgies in secret temples, had congress with animals, and offered up the corpses of virgins for the carnal delights of your depraved priesthood? Would you engage such blatant stupidity in rational debate?

Adults do not answer the petty name-calling of a schoolyard bully with elaborate explanations of why we are not stinky dirty poopy-heads. That would be dignifying it with a response, which it does not deserve. You aren't a child, though. You are in a prominent position, and gay people and their friends pay to read your work, so we can't just ignore what you think of us or let it pass.

Protesting that you didn't mean your offensive words to reach so wide an audience is such foolishness I can't respond beyond pointing out your age. Few people actually mean to make enormous fools of themselves. They figure nobody's paying attention. But you are a published author on the internet, accessible to all of fandom. Your words can never be assumed to reach a small audience, and you aren't talking about abstracts solely to people who agree with you. You are insulting real people who are or who love someone who is gay. To those people, being anti-gay makes you look stupid no matter your reasoning. Defending or advancing that stance with blatant nonsense only means they will be more inclined to tell you to drop dead while throat-fucking a rabid weasel than actually try to educate you (which is not our duty, I might add, but yours) or debate with you.

If you want to argue the point, shore up your logic and start dealing with facts, stop regurgitating the same garbage. It's the internet. It's all computers. The rule of 5150, shit in, shit out, applies here. If you spout ignorant, hateful bullshit, you will get hateful bullshit in return.

I am posting this with comments disabled. This is not cowardice. I have no real desire to invite you to converse here, where such views as yours are not welcome, but I also have no real desire to allow the carnival of wank to continue in comments on my journal. That would simply make more work for me without putting people's scorn in front of you. If people want to register their displeasure with you, they can go to your journal to do it. If they wish to register their displeasure with me, there are many other entries where they can do so. I thought I would let this stand alone, a letter to you, in case you cared to read it.

I'm not holding my breath, but I hope that you will find some people to debate with you and perhaps help educate you. I hope that you will change your views. I personally suspect the damage has been done, and I know I won't ever have anything to do with you or your work again. I regret I ever did.

I am a generous woman, or try to be. I would wish you well, but I find the most I can wish you is wisdom, and a clearer vision. Those are not, as anyone who lives in interesting times will tell you, always pleasant things.

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naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Gay Apocalypse!)
He's edited his entry and turned off comments. The edit is probably one of the funnier yet simultaneously sad things I've seen on the internet thus far. You should definitely go read it. I lol-ed. For so many reasons, I lol-ed. ETA: He's deleted the original entry.

He's apparently bent out of shape that we weren't arguing the way he would prefer, or kissing up. We're just a bunch of vulgar morons who would rather swear and make love with our faces than engage in some jolly good intellectual debate, by thunder. For shame, all of you, for upsetting this fine man. For shame.

I was willing to let it go, but he threw out a phrase so delightful that I just cannot resist. You see, apparently we are just a bunch of idolaters, bowing down to, and I quote:

The child-eating Moloch of political correctness!





Please, by all means supply your own child-eating Moloch pics in comments. If you can improve on my two-minute Photoshop mashup, feel free.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Gay Apocalypse!)
He's edited his entry and turned off comments. The edit is probably one of the funnier yet simultaneously sad things I've seen on the internet thus far. You should definitely go read it. I lol-ed. For so many reasons, I lol-ed. ETA: He's deleted the original entry.

He's apparently bent out of shape that we weren't arguing the way he would prefer, or kissing up. We're just a bunch of vulgar morons who would rather swear and make love with our faces than engage in some jolly good intellectual debate, by thunder. For shame, all of you, for upsetting this fine man. For shame.

I was willing to let it go, but he threw out a phrase so delightful that I just cannot resist. You see, apparently we are just a bunch of idolaters, bowing down to, and I quote:

The child-eating Moloch of political correctness!





Please, by all means supply your own child-eating Moloch pics in comments. If you can improve on my two-minute Photoshop mashup, feel free.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Gay Agenda)
John C. Wright, aka [livejournal.com profile] johncwright.

It is completely up to you if you want to buy books written by this guy after reading what he thinks about homosexuality.

ETA: he deleted the original entry.

On another note not related to the above in any way, I've got several hardcover books I don't want anymore. The books are in good shape, so I'm trying to think of a meaningful application for them. Like cutting them apart and using them to compose stories about gay perverts fucking. Or should I make them into hollow book boxes to hold my rosary of anal beads and my baby Jesus butt-plug? What do you all think?

In the meantime, I really have to make an appointment to assrape a dead goat with a crucifix strap-on in front of some schoolchildren. Like, soon. I have to commit obscene and corrupting acts or my pervert card lapses and I won't be able to get in on all the good cocaine-fueled mule-fucking pedophilia and abortion parties. I hear Hillary Clinton goes to those, and that she's a real cougar. Grrrowl.

Also, whoever has my homosex indoctrination DVDs? Please send them back if you're done with them. I've been asked to speak at the nearby grade school's recruitment assembly on National Convert a Nubile Youth to Homosexuality Day, and you just can't expect kids to learn about the joys of non-procreative pervsex from books or handouts anymore.

Lazy little shits.

(No trolling. Not that I care if you go into someone else's house and crap on their floor, but it would reflect poorly on me if I sent you over there to do it, so I'm not. I'm just letting you know what he thinks of most of you so that you can decide whether or not to reward him for it by paying attention to his writing. That is all.)
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Gay Agenda)
John C. Wright, aka [livejournal.com profile] johncwright.

It is completely up to you if you want to buy books written by this guy after reading what he thinks about homosexuality.

ETA: he deleted the original entry.

On another note not related to the above in any way, I've got several hardcover books I don't want anymore. The books are in good shape, so I'm trying to think of a meaningful application for them. Like cutting them apart and using them to compose stories about gay perverts fucking. Or should I make them into hollow book boxes to hold my rosary of anal beads and my baby Jesus butt-plug? What do you all think?

In the meantime, I really have to make an appointment to assrape a dead goat with a crucifix strap-on in front of some schoolchildren. Like, soon. I have to commit obscene and corrupting acts or my pervert card lapses and I won't be able to get in on all the good cocaine-fueled mule-fucking pedophilia and abortion parties. I hear Hillary Clinton goes to those, and that she's a real cougar. Grrrowl.

Also, whoever has my homosex indoctrination DVDs? Please send them back if you're done with them. I've been asked to speak at the nearby grade school's recruitment assembly on National Convert a Nubile Youth to Homosexuality Day, and you just can't expect kids to learn about the joys of non-procreative pervsex from books or handouts anymore.

Lazy little shits.

(No trolling. Not that I care if you go into someone else's house and crap on their floor, but it would reflect poorly on me if I sent you over there to do it, so I'm not. I'm just letting you know what he thinks of most of you so that you can decide whether or not to reward him for it by paying attention to his writing. That is all.)
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Abortion Is Bloody Murder)
Amanda Marcotte writes a piece for RH Reality Check about the training manual she obtained from "pro-life" group Justice For All. Link here.

The link to the actual parts of the manual she scanned is here. It is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read in my life. I strongly, strongly recommend you read as much of it as you can stand to read, and you need to link this far and wide. People need to understand the lies these people are being fed, and which they spew in turn.

This is the manual used to train protesters in how to debate, derail, and blame. It trains them to sound compassionate, yet you will note the complete lack of compassion there, the focus on hiding one's actual opinions until such time as you have derailed the other person and forced them into a corner. It is raddled with straw-man arguments, blatant falsehoods, misogyny, and self-righteousness. This manual admits things that anti-choicers always deny; the truths we know because we live them, but which they try to cover up with lies atop lies. It is a veritable tour guide to their twisted worldview.

Horrifying.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Abortion Is Bloody Murder)
Amanda Marcotte writes a piece for RH Reality Check about the training manual she obtained from "pro-life" group Justice For All. Link here.

The link to the actual parts of the manual she scanned is here. It is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read in my life. I strongly, strongly recommend you read as much of it as you can stand to read, and you need to link this far and wide. People need to understand the lies these people are being fed, and which they spew in turn.

This is the manual used to train protesters in how to debate, derail, and blame. It trains them to sound compassionate, yet you will note the complete lack of compassion there, the focus on hiding one's actual opinions until such time as you have derailed the other person and forced them into a corner. It is raddled with straw-man arguments, blatant falsehoods, misogyny, and self-righteousness. This manual admits things that anti-choicers always deny; the truths we know because we live them, but which they try to cover up with lies atop lies. It is a veritable tour guide to their twisted worldview.

Horrifying.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Warning: Death Ray)
The second letter, because I couldn't let the top 10 results for "homosexuality" thing pass without mention:

To: ecr@amazon.com

Subject: More unacceptability.

To whom it may concern, yet again,

I have already written once expressing my displeasure, but I feel I must do so once more.

Are you aware that A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi is now the first title to appear if one searches for "homosexuality" on Amazon? Are you seriously telling me that a book about preventing homosexuality -- which is not possible -- is somehow an improvement over whatever book would have been in that spot had your new policy not gone into place?

Do you not see how incredibly, deeply offensive that is?

Are you on drugs? Stupid? Uncaring?

What is your problem?

What?

You want to censor "adult" content? FINE. I demand that you censor, equally, such "adult" content as Biblically-justified hate. I demand that you remove works that justify using one's own religious beliefs to stifle or harm another, or that deny humanity to other human beings based on something that is not a choice, and even if it were, would do no harm.

I demand that out of "consideration," you protect your customers from having to look at that bile-filled hate. I demand that I and others like me not have to look at it. You want to cater to your "entire customer base," you need to start catering to people who don't want to see that hateful religious crap, too. I find it every bit as offensive as others find the idea of two consenting adults of the same gender sharing pleasure. Where are my censored search rankings? When will books by atheists top the list of searches for "Jesus Christ?" When are you going to fix this?

I did notice that not all of the books in the top ten results for "homosexuality" are unsupportive, but the majority of them deal with it from a Biblical perspective. Must that be the central frame of reference for something that has nothing to do with the Bible? Must you encourage the incredibly narrow-minded and lackwitted worldview that implies that the only reason we should talk about gays is to wonder what Jesus would have thought of them, or whether God will let those icky homosexuals into heaven along with the rest of us Godfearing folk?

You don't want teens running across Heather Corinna's incredibly well-researched and sympathetic S.E.X., yet you have no problem with teens running across You Don't Have to Be Gay: Hope and Freedom for Males Struggling With Homosexuality or for Those Who Know of Someone Who Is by Jeff Konrad?

What the ever loving hell is wrong with you?!

At this point, you have lost my business. My husband and I have a Prime account with you. Again, I invite you to check our purchase history, which is well over $2,000 in the last six months alone. You've lost that business, and at this point the only possible way for you to regain it would be for you to issue a formal apology for your heinous, shortsighted, bigoted, and offensive behavior.

If this is what you think of us -- of gays, lesbians, transgendered folk, straight allies, those who are questioning, and those people who simply have functioning consciences and the sense of propriety God gave a roadkill possum -- if this is what you think of us, we will take our filthy homosexual lucre elsewhere, and you can go to hell.

I do not know how to make my displeasure any more clear.

Yours without any goodwill whatsoever,

-- Amanda Gannon

***

Amazon customer service email: ecr@amazon.com

Customer service phone: 1-800-201-7575

CEO contacts: Jeffrey Bezos.
1200 12th Avenue South
Seattle, Washington 98144-2734
United States
Phone: 206-266-1000
Fax: 206-622-2405


Drop the Google bomb with Amazon Rank.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Warning: Death Ray)
The second letter, because I couldn't let the top 10 results for "homosexuality" thing pass without mention:

To: ecr@amazon.com

Subject: More unacceptability.

To whom it may concern, yet again,

I have already written once expressing my displeasure, but I feel I must do so once more.

Are you aware that A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi is now the first title to appear if one searches for "homosexuality" on Amazon? Are you seriously telling me that a book about preventing homosexuality -- which is not possible -- is somehow an improvement over whatever book would have been in that spot had your new policy not gone into place?

Do you not see how incredibly, deeply offensive that is?

Are you on drugs? Stupid? Uncaring?

What is your problem?

What?

You want to censor "adult" content? FINE. I demand that you censor, equally, such "adult" content as Biblically-justified hate. I demand that you remove works that justify using one's own religious beliefs to stifle or harm another, or that deny humanity to other human beings based on something that is not a choice, and even if it were, would do no harm.

I demand that out of "consideration," you protect your customers from having to look at that bile-filled hate. I demand that I and others like me not have to look at it. You want to cater to your "entire customer base," you need to start catering to people who don't want to see that hateful religious crap, too. I find it every bit as offensive as others find the idea of two consenting adults of the same gender sharing pleasure. Where are my censored search rankings? When will books by atheists top the list of searches for "Jesus Christ?" When are you going to fix this?

I did notice that not all of the books in the top ten results for "homosexuality" are unsupportive, but the majority of them deal with it from a Biblical perspective. Must that be the central frame of reference for something that has nothing to do with the Bible? Must you encourage the incredibly narrow-minded and lackwitted worldview that implies that the only reason we should talk about gays is to wonder what Jesus would have thought of them, or whether God will let those icky homosexuals into heaven along with the rest of us Godfearing folk?

You don't want teens running across Heather Corinna's incredibly well-researched and sympathetic S.E.X., yet you have no problem with teens running across You Don't Have to Be Gay: Hope and Freedom for Males Struggling With Homosexuality or for Those Who Know of Someone Who Is by Jeff Konrad?

What the ever loving hell is wrong with you?!

At this point, you have lost my business. My husband and I have a Prime account with you. Again, I invite you to check our purchase history, which is well over $2,000 in the last six months alone. You've lost that business, and at this point the only possible way for you to regain it would be for you to issue a formal apology for your heinous, shortsighted, bigoted, and offensive behavior.

If this is what you think of us -- of gays, lesbians, transgendered folk, straight allies, those who are questioning, and those people who simply have functioning consciences and the sense of propriety God gave a roadkill possum -- if this is what you think of us, we will take our filthy homosexual lucre elsewhere, and you can go to hell.

I do not know how to make my displeasure any more clear.

Yours without any goodwill whatsoever,

-- Amanda Gannon

***

Amazon customer service email: ecr@amazon.com

Customer service phone: 1-800-201-7575

CEO contacts: Jeffrey Bezos.
1200 12th Avenue South
Seattle, Washington 98144-2734
United States
Phone: 206-266-1000
Fax: 206-622-2405


Drop the Google bomb with Amazon Rank.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Gay Sex)
Amazon has decided that books with gay, lesbian, and feminist content are "adult books," and as such, we need to be protected from them.

When an affected writer asked Amazon about this, he received this in reply:

In consideration of our entire customer base, we exclude "adult" material from appearing in some searches and best seller lists. Since these lists are generated using sales ranks, adult materials must also be excluded from that feature.

Hence, if you have further questions, kindly write back to us.

Best regards,

Ashlyn D
Member Services
Amazon.com Advantage


Here is a list of affected titles.

Amazon searches for "homosexuality" bring up some interesting titles. The very first book to appear is A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi. Amazon feels this is less harmful?

Dwell on that.

Moving on, Can Homosexuality Be Healed? by Francis MacNutt and You Don't Have to Be Gay: Hope and Freedom for Males Struggling With Homosexuality or for Those Who Know of Someone Who Is by Jeff Konrad also appear within the top ten.

I am with Smart Bitches, Trashy Books: "What, I ask, the fucking fuckhell?"

A link roundup.

Massive thread derail in comments on this Amazon post. Go contribute if you have an account, or simply click "Yes" below the comments to signify that you agree. My comment is at the top of page two, I think.

Amazon customer service email: ecr@amazon.com

Customer service phone: 1-800-201-7575

CEO contact:
Jeffrey Bezos.
1200 12th Avenue South
Seattle, Washington 98144-2734
United States
Phone: 206-266-1000
Fax: 206-622-2405


I wrote them a letter, and will probably write another. Want text? Here, have text:

***

TO: ecr@amazon.com

SUBJECT: Unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable.

To whom it may concern,

I am writing to inform you that I will not be ordering from Amazon until such time as you cease excluding GLBT and other "adult" material from appearing in bestseller and search lists, and until their sales rankings have been restored.

I have been very pleased with Amazon until now. This pleasure has been reflected in the amount of money I and my husband spend with Amazon. I'll wait while you go look at the numbers.

Seen them?

You aren't getting any more of it until you start treating us like adults.

Your backwards policies are censoring the appearance GLBT books on bestseller, search, and ranking lists, as well as negative affecting heterosexual adult erotica as well. It is also negatively affecting YA novels that treat with the subject sympathetically -- books that, far from "corrupting," could arguably do a great deal of good to a child suffering a crisis of sexual identity. None of this is acceptable.

You, through someone called "Ashlyn D," claim this is "in consideration for [your] entire customer base."

How utterly revolting, patronizing, and stupid. For shame!

I do not need such consideration. No adult needs such consideration. Are we children? Do squalling infants make up the majority of your customer base? Do you honestly believe that grown men and women need to be protected from the gay and lesbian menace? Are you truly that shortsighted, backwards, and stupid? Disappointing. Disappointing and nauseating.

I am bisexual. I'm happy to say that, because there is no shame in it. Yet I, and people like me, are not being treated like humans, but more like something the cat accidentally did outside the box and which now needs to be covered over or flushed away. Therefore I don't believe I need to be part of your "entire customer base."

I will be announcing on my online journal, which as of this morning has 1,495 subscribers, that they should not be part of your customer base, either.

If the lowest common denominator is all you cater to, the lowest common denominator is all you will be left with. If you truly think your "entire customer base" is composed of morons and bigots and pearl-clutching ninnies, I am just as glad not to be a part of it, and I suspect my good readers, being people of conscience and intelligence, will agree.

And apparently, your message to us would be "good riddance." That's pretty much the only way I can interpret this flagrant display of bigotry and privilege: as a great, flashing sign that says "FAGS NOT WELCOME."

Well, we're gone, along with all our heterosexual allies; gone until such time as you reverse this disgusting and pointless practice. I look forward to hearing that you have done so.

I also hope that you will be thoughtful enough to provide an apology, since gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people are, in fact, moral human beings with functioning emotions, and who really do not care to have our interests marginalized or swept under the rug like some sort of revolting secret.

If you have an explanation for this pathetic foolishness, I should like to hear that, too. Feel free to respond. I would love to know how you plan to defend this nonsense. Please be very specific about what you fear will happen if people run across GLBT titles in searches and lists. Also, since the literature needs to be hidden away, I would like to know just how dangerous and corrupting and horrible you consider me to be.

Emphatically and disgustedly yours,

Amanda A. Gannon

***

Amazon Rank

Have your Google bomb, you dumb fucks.
naamah_darling: The right-side canines of a wolf's skull; the upper canine is made of gold. (Gay Sex)
Amazon has decided that books with gay, lesbian, and feminist content are "adult books," and as such, we need to be protected from them.

When an affected writer asked Amazon about this, he received this in reply:

In consideration of our entire customer base, we exclude "adult" material from appearing in some searches and best seller lists. Since these lists are generated using sales ranks, adult materials must also be excluded from that feature.

Hence, if you have further questions, kindly write back to us.

Best regards,

Ashlyn D
Member Services
Amazon.com Advantage


Here is a list of affected titles.

Amazon searches for "homosexuality" bring up some interesting titles. The very first book to appear is A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi. Amazon feels this is less harmful?

Dwell on that.

Moving on, Can Homosexuality Be Healed? by Francis MacNutt and You Don't Have to Be Gay: Hope and Freedom for Males Struggling With Homosexuality or for Those Who Know of Someone Who Is by Jeff Konrad also appear within the top ten.

I am with Smart Bitches, Trashy Books: "What, I ask, the fucking fuckhell?"

A link roundup.

Massive thread derail in comments on this Amazon post. Go contribute if you have an account, or simply click "Yes" below the comments to signify that you agree. My comment is at the top of page two, I think.

Amazon customer service email: ecr@amazon.com

Customer service phone: 1-800-201-7575

CEO contact:
Jeffrey Bezos.
1200 12th Avenue South
Seattle, Washington 98144-2734
United States
Phone: 206-266-1000
Fax: 206-622-2405


I wrote them a letter, and will probably write another. Want text? Here, have text:

***

TO: ecr@amazon.com

SUBJECT: Unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable.

To whom it may concern,

I am writing to inform you that I will not be ordering from Amazon until such time as you cease excluding GLBT and other "adult" material from appearing in bestseller and search lists, and until their sales rankings have been restored.

I have been very pleased with Amazon until now. This pleasure has been reflected in the amount of money I and my husband spend with Amazon. I'll wait while you go look at the numbers.

Seen them?

You aren't getting any more of it until you start treating us like adults.

Your backwards policies are censoring the appearance GLBT books on bestseller, search, and ranking lists, as well as negative affecting heterosexual adult erotica as well. It is also negatively affecting YA novels that treat with the subject sympathetically -- books that, far from "corrupting," could arguably do a great deal of good to a child suffering a crisis of sexual identity. None of this is acceptable.

You, through someone called "Ashlyn D," claim this is "in consideration for [your] entire customer base."

How utterly revolting, patronizing, and stupid. For shame!

I do not need such consideration. No adult needs such consideration. Are we children? Do squalling infants make up the majority of your customer base? Do you honestly believe that grown men and women need to be protected from the gay and lesbian menace? Are you truly that shortsighted, backwards, and stupid? Disappointing. Disappointing and nauseating.

I am bisexual. I'm happy to say that, because there is no shame in it. Yet I, and people like me, are not being treated like humans, but more like something the cat accidentally did outside the box and which now needs to be covered over or flushed away. Therefore I don't believe I need to be part of your "entire customer base."

I will be announcing on my online journal, which as of this morning has 1,495 subscribers, that they should not be part of your customer base, either.

If the lowest common denominator is all you cater to, the lowest common denominator is all you will be left with. If you truly think your "entire customer base" is composed of morons and bigots and pearl-clutching ninnies, I am just as glad not to be a part of it, and I suspect my good readers, being people of conscience and intelligence, will agree.

And apparently, your message to us would be "good riddance." That's pretty much the only way I can interpret this flagrant display of bigotry and privilege: as a great, flashing sign that says "FAGS NOT WELCOME."

Well, we're gone, along with all our heterosexual allies; gone until such time as you reverse this disgusting and pointless practice. I look forward to hearing that you have done so.

I also hope that you will be thoughtful enough to provide an apology, since gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people are, in fact, moral human beings with functioning emotions, and who really do not care to have our interests marginalized or swept under the rug like some sort of revolting secret.

If you have an explanation for this pathetic foolishness, I should like to hear that, too. Feel free to respond. I would love to know how you plan to defend this nonsense. Please be very specific about what you fear will happen if people run across GLBT titles in searches and lists. Also, since the literature needs to be hidden away, I would like to know just how dangerous and corrupting and horrible you consider me to be.

Emphatically and disgustedly yours,

Amanda A. Gannon

***

Amazon Rank

Have your Google bomb, you dumb fucks.

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